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<\/p>\nBriana: \u00a0I would have wanted the Oceanside women to follow instead of just letting them take their guns and sitting back waiting for our guys to do all the work for them. \u00a0<\/span>(So this seemed to be the most popular nitpick of this episode, so this also goes for Teddy and Chris\u2019 comments as well. \u00a0TWD tries it\u2019s best to be a relatively \u201cprogressive\u201d show with strong female characters. \u00a0I was very surprised by this. \u00a0I was hoping that they would so Negan could kill some of the more annoying ones, but that\u2019s because I\u2019m a jerk.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Bob: \u00a0Gregory failing to kill a walker. \u00a0No matter the value of this scene, I feel Gregory had a chance to work his way toward becoming a Gregor Clegane Instead of a Greg Heffley. \u00a0<\/span>(Strong start here for Bob. \u00a0My love for Gregor Clegane knows no bounds. \u00a0Greg Heffley, for those who don\u2019t know the reference is not like the Hefty brand garbage bags, but is instead wimpy, wimpy, wimpy. \u00a0Gregory basically pulled a pro wrestling heel move when the good guy is like \u201cWe don\u2019t have to wait until this Sunday, we can do this right here in (insert current city\u2019s name)! \u00a0Then the heel would pretend like he was going to step up, but then run away like a coward.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Bitty: \u00a0I would’ve changed how timid Enid was. I want to see her stronger and more outgoing. Yes she held her own gun and did well but I want her to start shining more. <\/span>(Remember when there was all that buzz around Enid being with the Wolves? \u00a0Yeah, me neither. \u00a0Enid is a cool character and since she\u2019s not in the comic, I hope they make her a better character than Sophia is in the books. \u00a0She\u2019s going to be tough to do after the war, I feel, but if they get rid of some of these lesser characters, then hopefully they make her awesome.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Teddy: \u00a0I wish Oceanside would help honestly, but I understand their fear.<\/span><\/p>\n
Cece: \u00a0The episode, although some action, moved very slowly. I’m not sure how it could have improved but it was a bit boring. \u00a0<\/span>(I was expecting more than one person to say this. \u00a0It was painfully plodding at times. \u00a0I\u2019m all for great, slow burning storytelling, but this type of episode, along with the Richonne episode and the OG Oceanside episode were just placeholder episodes. \u00a0They knew where they wanted to end the season, what pivotal scene, and realized that they had to stretch things out. \u00a0In my opinion, more time could have been spent with the Scavengers, their backstory, an update on Sherry\u2019s whereabouts, and Heath\u2019s story. \u00a0Also, any time spent at the Kingdom is time well spent, or seeing more Hilltop stuff. \u00a0You may not agree with my choices, but I think most people would agree that time could have been spent wiser this season to tell better or different stories.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Kristi: \u00a0<\/span>I was really hoping the walker would have killed Gregory. \u00a0<\/span>(Man, you really hate this man. \u00a0That\u2019s awesome. \u00a0I feel the same about Tara. \u00a0I\u2019m curious which one of us will get our wish first. \u00a0I think I have worst odds as Gregory is seemingly on borrowed time, whereas Tara is a wild card.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Chris: \u00a0Oceanside would have joined team Rick. \u00a0I hope they still do at some point.<\/span><\/p>\n
Kent: \u00a0Tara would have been shot, at least 92 times.<\/span><\/p>\n
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<\/p>\nBriana: \u00a0Maybe a little of both. But mostly to get back at Rick. Having her join in the first place helps him mess with Rick but I assume there’s a grander plan afoot. \u00a0<\/span>(Nice, I think that is the first time that the term afoot has been used in this blog space. \u00a0You\u2019re right, just having Sasha in any capacity, whether she is held against her will or as a potential Savior, would mess with Rick.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Bob: \u00a0I am thinking this is just psychological torture. \u00a0Negan does not need Sasha other than to hurt Rick. \u00a0Negan knows Sasha will not become a Savior. \u00a0And Negan is making Sasha feel like she has power and she has NONE. <\/span>(Good point about manipulating her to think that she has some choice or power. \u00a0Negan played it really well. \u00a0I am suspicious if he had anybody keeping tabs on Eugene to see where his loyalty lies. \u00a0It would only make sense, but it wasn\u2019t something that they showed us.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Bitty: Negan just wants to use Sasha as a bargaining chip in the end. Negan is not stupid and knows a smart strong woman when he sees one. <\/span>(I don\u2019t know if I would call her smart. \u00a0I mean, she ran into Sanctuary like a crazy bitch. \u00a0She is strong. \u00a0Arat on the other hand\u2026.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Teddy: \u00a0Negan likes badass women, he likes to wed said badass women. \u00a0<\/span>(I\u2019m just saying, if Sasha went and joined the Saviors and had Negan\u2019s baby, I would be really happy.) <\/b><\/p>\n
Cece: It’s always about getting back at Rick and the gang. \u00a0<\/span>(Isn\u2019t it kinda silly to think that is the picture that they have painted for us? \u00a0We, the fans, obviously know the threat level of Rick\u2019s posse, but I am trying to think on a bigger scale, does Negan really sit there and worry about F\u2019ing with Rick? \u00a0Negan is in a pretty good place, I don\u2019t know if he should be all that worried. \u00a0Obviously, this is a TV show so the good guys have to win, but if you try to consider the reality of it, I don\u2019t think Negan would care. \u00a0If he did, he would have just killed the threat. \u00a0Maybe I am overthinking this. \u00a0OK, no maybe about it, but I\u2019m trying to think outside of the show\u2019s scope.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Kristi: \u00a0<\/span>He is a smart guy. I don\u2019t think he believes she will truly join me. He will try to use her to get intel on Rick but I think she will choose death before that happens. <\/span>(Yeah, that is also interesting. \u00a0We know the group branched off to different places, but what does Negan really know? \u00a0I think it is safe to assume that Negan is still under the impression that everybody from the infamous lineup are still together, which by and large they are, but still, it\u2019s something that I wondered.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Chris: \u00a0It\u2019s hard to say with Negan. \u00a0Probably both? \u00a0He loves breaking people down. \u00a0He probably likes Sasha for the same reasons he likes Daryl. \u00a0<\/span>(I\u2019m glad that you brought that up. \u00a0I was wondering what Negan saw in Sasha. \u00a0Like, he knows that Daryl was an emotional bad ass. \u00a0He doesn\u2019t know much about Sasha other than she infiltrated Sanctuary and gunned down \u00a0some people. \u00a0He doesn\u2019t know that she is a hell of \u00a0a sniper. \u00a0I am curious if he seems similar potential in her as he saw in Daryl or not.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Kent: \u00a0I say that he doesn\u2019t see any potential in her being a Savior. \u00a0First of all, he didn\u2019t play her any Easy Street, which pisses me off. \u00a0That alone is a solid reason. \u00a0He\u2019s not trying to break her in the way that he did with Daryl and assuredly others. \u00a0The other thing that I considered is that there is no rhyme or reason for Negan to ever trust her to be a Savior. \u00a0She came in guns ablazing. \u00a0He can\u2019t trust that, he\u2019s not dumb enough to do that. \u00a0With Daryl, he saw similar emotional weakness that Dwight exhibited, and thought that he may be able to break him and build up a loyal servant. \u00a0They are 2 very different scenarios. \u00a0One last thing that I feel like bringing up is Sasha\u2019s selfish ways. \u00a0Everybody gives Rosita shit but Sasha gets a free pass. \u00a0Why? \u00a0They are very similar situations. \u00a0Rosita got Olivia killed and Eugene captured. \u00a0Sasha got herself captured, and is going to result in 2 deaths, most likely. \u00a0On top of that, she may have just royally screwed over Eugene, because I theorize that somebody saw Eugene hand Sasha the baggie. \u00a0So why is Sasha being given a free pass? \u00a0Because she\u2019s more likable than Rosita to the masses. \u00a0Sasha not killing herself after her failure and then trying to persuade Eugene was a bitch move. \u00a0It has to be acknowledged.<\/span><\/p>\n
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<\/p>\nBriana: \u00a0Not for Oceanside. It doesn’t hurt our guys at all but it definitely leaves them vulnerable. But I think they had a choice. If they didn’t want to be left completely without guns, they could have just gone with them and helped fight. Then they wouldn’t be gunless lol. \u00a0<\/span>(I really enjoyed your logic, and it made me think of this quote from an all time great film, Reservoir Dogs. \u00a0\u201c<\/b>Yeah, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. I told ’em not to touch the alarm… but they touched it. If they hadn’t done what I told ’em not to do, they’d still be alive.\u201d)<\/b><\/p>\n
Bob: \u00a0Alexandrians didn’t leave Oceanside with no guns – they left with all of their guns! ???? OMGosh This is the world they live in. \u00a0Remember, if you aren’t with a group you are against them. So leaving any guns with Oceanside is an endorsement of failing to follow the group and, \u201cOH YEAH!\u201d drink the koolaid! \u00a0<\/span>(Really, you just had to go there. To go back like 15 years and say \u201coh no you didn\u2019t\u201d. \u00a0The whole theory that if you aren\u2019t with them, then you\u2019re against them is pretty spot on, or the enemy of my enemy is my friend. \u00a0It does make me wonder how everything settles down between communities after the impending war is over. \u00a0Also, kudos for Kool Aid references.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Bitty: \u00a0The majority of the guns were locked up!! So yeh take the ones that were in the shed but leave them with the one s on their person. This way of some of the Oceanside members changed their mind and came to fight with Rick they would be armed. \u00a0<\/span>(As pointed out in this blog, I think there is some sentiment that had Oceanside been left with some of their guns, the Alexandrians and Jesus run the risk of retaliation. \u00a0Really, what they did was a pretty F\u2019d up thing to do to the Oceanside community.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Teddy: \u00a0Well depends, if they truly want out of the fight then that would be the best thing. However if the Saviors find out they helped them then they fucked themselves. \u00a0<\/span>(Am I the only person that finds this whole Oceanside community thing a tad contrived? \u00a0We sometimes talk about the organization of the Saviors. \u00a0Like, shouldn\u2019t they have been hunted down from the very beginning? \u00a0If you\u2019re Oceanside, at this point, I say that you feel pretty good all things considered. \u00a0If Oceanside is discovered, they are pretty much boned no matter what.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Cece: \u00a0Not really. They could have taken a few and it would still have been fine. Anyone against The Saviors is best. \u00a0<\/span>(In a fair and just world, perhaps, but would you really chance it if you are Rick, and leave Oceanside with some weapons?)<\/b><\/p>\n
Kristi: \u00a0<\/span>Didn\u2019t she say to take the guns? I think I missed something here. \u00a0<\/span>(Good chance of it, but honestly, it\u2019s not terribly high on the importance scale, so you\u2019re fine.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Chris: \u00a0Probably not, but Alexandria needed the guns. \u00a0If they don’t take the guns, the Saviors kill everyone anyways. \u00a0<\/span>(That\u2019s really the gist of it all. \u00a0Oceanside with guns won\u2019t stop the Saviors, zero chance. \u00a0Rick\u2019s group is something higher than a zero chance, so it makes sense.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Kent: \u00a0I enjoy how there are slight variations on how people took the question. \u00a0Some looked at more from Oceanside\u2019s perspective and others took it from Alexandria\u2019s. \u00a0It wasn\u2019t intended that way, but I am glad that it did. \u00a0I still question whether they should have simply slaughtered the Oceanside folks. \u00a0If they aren\u2019t going to be involved in the war, what purpose do they serve for storyline purposes? \u00a0Or why not consider the option of bringing them to the Kingdom? \u00a0If the Saviors never come into the Kingdom, then they should be fine. \u00a0Hey, if it\u2019s good enough for Daryl Dixon, it\u2019s good enough for Oceanside.<\/span><\/p>\n
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Briana: \u00a0In order to do it without hurting anyone. They knew these people were as much victims to the Saviors as they are, if not more so. So this wasn’t about doing damage, just getting what they needed. The explosive worked perfectly for that. \u00a0<\/span>(Isn\u2019t it a tad hypocritical of the group, or moreso the writers, when they sometimes show the group as willing to do anything by any means necessary to survive, and then other times, go great lengths to avoid killing an innocent? \u00a0Like, they were very cool with the idea of not only killing all of the people in that outpost, but then to still take supplies from Hilltop. \u00a0Total dick move, but it was a worthwhile risk. \u00a0The writers really manipulate the fans to suit the show\u2019s needs.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Bob: \u00a0Pomp and Circumstance. \u00a0They saved all the lives of OS but also showed power and strength in hopes of having them join them. \u00a0It was a way of showing them how Ill prepared they were for any attack, especially from Negan. \u00a0<\/span>(If you could include Pomp and Circumstance in next week\u2019s season finale blog, I would be very appreciative. \u00a0It always gets me to watch Macho Man videos. \u00a0Good point on showing them how ill prepared they were. \u00a0I like that take, and now wish to proclaim that I came up with it first, but I shall not.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Bitty: \u00a0I think there are more explosives. And at this point if the Alexandrians don’t know how to make them they shouldn’t be alive in the apocalypse. <\/span>(This is a Tale of 2 Kitties, I mean Tale of 2 Answers. \u00a0I am 100% behind you, but like not too close, regarding your first statement. \u00a0The second part though, it took me aback. \u00a0Is this required knowledge for the apocalypse? \u00a0Now you have me wondering just how ill prepared I am for the ZA. \u00a0I gotta start learning how to make explosives. \u00a0I was totally looking forward to the ZA, but now you have shaken my confidence.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Teddy: \u00a0Scare tactics. Best way to put down people already scared. \u00a0<\/span>(I just really liked this answer. \u00a0That is all.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Cece: \u00a0They wanted to make sure they had their attention. Not too sure they really NEEDED to use them. I think they could have ambushed or something and it would have been the same. \u00a0<\/span>(You are the only person here that really potentially questioned if they needed to use them, so you get a point. \u00a0Well Bob kind of alluded to it, but he got me sidetracked.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Chris: \u00a0It was either that, or they would have wasted an enormous amount of bullets. \u00a0The explosives were able to create a distraction, which allows Rick and co. to catch everyone without having to kill. \u00a0<\/span>(I hate the fact that I agree with your point regarding wasting bullets because that means that there is a hole in my argument. \u00a0Thanks, I don\u2019t even know you, but thanks. \u00a0Haha.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Kent: \u00a0I hate this question because it hurts my head. \u00a0First of all, they didn\u2019t have Rosita, the explosives expert with them, so there\u2019s a fail. \u00a0There is no reason that they couldn\u2019t have gone in and taken the group out like they did at the outpost, and saved the explosives for an actual threat. \u00a0This was stupid theatrics at it\u2019s finest so people can have an explosion. \u00a0Terrible.<\/span><\/p>\n
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<\/p>\nBriana: \u00a0I think most of them know they can’t continue this type of life forever. Everyone wants some sort of normalcy and they’ll never have that really unless they can break away from this hiding and killing everything that moves mentality. Alexandria is their way out of this lifestyle and revenge for their families lost. Natania is stubborn and probably the one who came up with the plan to hide away in the first place. \u00a0<\/span>(2 things. \u00a01. In the ZA, half of that phrase is apocalypse, so I have never understood why people think that they can just survive the apocalypse. \u00a0That\u2019s a heavy word, yet we all think about it. \u00a02. Isn\u2019t it a shame that Natania and Gregory may never meet? \u00a0Both of them think of themselves incredibly highly, and responsible for keeping their respective groups alive. \u00a0I want 9 minutes and 2 seconds of them just having a sitdown negotiation.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Bob: \u00a0Most of OS is done rising up. \u00a0They have no Eye of the Tiger ferocity with their current living in fear. \u00a0OR maybe they are all tired of having their periods the same days every month and we’re in the midst of that cycle except menopausal Natania. <\/span>(True story, I read this and legitimately raised my hands and shoulders up a bit acknowledging that there is nothing that I can add to this perfect answer. \u00a0I was very impressed.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Bitty: Oceanside is a group of women whose men were torn away from them. When they see a group of strong men and woman they will naturally gravitate towards them. Maybe the leader, Natania, had a different story. Maybe she wanted to rid herself of her man. <\/span>(Ohhhhh, I like that too. \u00a0Maybe she was in a Carol-esque relationship. \u00a0Thinking outside the box.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Teddy: \u00a0They probably saw them as they saw the Saviors? Could\u2019ve triggered some ptsd issues. \u00a0<\/span>(Good call. \u00a0That seems perfectly reasonable.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Cece: \u00a0I\u2019m not sure. I honestly think they’re just used to their own way of living. And of course the walkers are everyone\u2019s common enemy. \u00a0<\/span>(To comment on the walkers, I have heard whispers that the walkers aren\u2019t everyone\u2019s common enemy. \u00a0Sorry, I had to.)<\/b><\/p>\n
Kristi: \u00a0<\/span>They are tired of giving in to the Saviors. They are considering joining Rick and the crew to f some stuff up \ud83d\ude42 \u00a0<\/span>(I know that you are very particular about your music, so I apologize if this song doesn\u2019t meet your lofty standards, but I instantly started singing in when I read your response.)<\/b><\/p>\n
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- \u00a0Was it wise to leave Oceanside with no guns?<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n
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