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- \u00a0Whose death will have more impact moving forward, beyond this episode::Benjamin\u2019s or Richard\u2019s?<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n
Bitty: \u00a0Richards death was key to igniting Morgan’s will to kill and survive. Richard had a similar view that I believe Shane would’ve had if he was still alive. \u00a0(Points for bringing up Shane! \u00a0Yeah, those 2 along with Merle would have made a great team.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Bob: \u00a0Being that Benjamin\u2019s death finally triggered Ezekiel to extract his mind from his brown eye, the answer to this is clearly Richard. \u00a0Richard was a leader and tactically, the rebellion will suffer unknown loss due to Richard\u2019s death. \u00a0Also, Richard because Morgan is killing. \u00a0(Yeah, the tactical point is a big one for the Kingdom, like a huge loss. \u00a0Also, point for brown eye. \u00a0I miss browneyedgurls.geocities.com)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Briana: \u00a0That’s tough! Benjamin\u2019s death will have more of an emotional impact because he has his little brother and Ezekiel was so close to him. Richard’s death will have an impact on the sense that it fueled the fire to get the Kingdom on track to join the others in the fight. \u00a0(I am still wondering if Richard was never found out, would Ezekiel have gone to war just over Ben’s death.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Cece: \u00a0I\u2019m not really sure either one of them was too important. But, Benjamin\u2019s death led the Kingdom to understand what they may be dealing with now. \u00a0(You’re not sure? \u00a0You may need to re-watch the episode because you may have missed something. \u00a0They pretty much Peter North’d it down our collective gullets.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Teddy: \u00a0Richard\u2019s death was surprisingly inconsequential, Benjamin\u2019s was the spark that lit Ezekial\u2019s fire. Honestly was shocked by that since I thought Jerry\u2019s death was the fuel. \u00a0(Jerry’s death would have been huge, but he did get whacked. \u00a0I am still undecided on how much Ben’s death impacted Ezekiel’s decision vs Richard’s, simply based on what was presented to us, and knowing how much Ezekiel likes to deliberate. \u00a0I think this is something that will be touched on in a later episode, or so I hope.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Kent: \u00a0Richard’s is more important. \u00a0Yes, Ezekiel is ready, but it took the death of both guys before we saw that in him. \u00a0While Ben’s death effected Morgan, it was Richard’s plan that pushed Morgan to kill again. \u00a0We have a pissed off Morgan back with us, and while I feel that Ezekiel would have decided to fight the Saviors after Ben’s death, but we may never know. \u00a0What we do know is that Ben was still learning to fight and was still a teen, and Richard was a man who could fight. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n
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- \u00a0Is Carol about to go back into season 5 and 6 mode where she will do whatever is needed, or will we see a hybrid version of Carol where she may not be as intense?<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n
Bitty: There must be a middle ground for Carol. She should be a leader and not just a ninja killer. I hope to see Carol leading a smart and efficient way, not just \u201cdo it herself\u201d mode where she gets overwhelmed and has to leave again. \u00a0(I can absolutely foresee a way that they could make Carol a leader by season 9 or 10, if they so choose to play it that way.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Bob: \u00a0I think we will see a Carol that is frankly deadlier than before but she will be more reflective upon what she does. \u00a0She will be more choosey about who she kills but woe to them she decides to kill. \u00a0(I like the idea of her being more choosey. \u00a0It would serve her character well.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Briana: \u00a0Carol seems to only have 2 speeds. Rabbit or Turtle. She’s been stuck in Turtle mode for a while and she will have get back into her crazy self if she plans on doing anything. She doesn’t half ass so I’m saying she will definitely be back to her intense self. \u00a0(As a person who is permanently on Turtle mode, I will cheer for the rabbit this one time. \u00a0Makes me want to watch some Looney Tunes as well.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Cece: \u00a0I think she will fight, but I don’t think she will completely be savage. \u00a0(Ohhhhhhhh Yeaaaaah….Dig it. \u00a0That was a Macho Man Randy Savage reference for the uninitiated. \u00a0Sometimes my comments are for my enjoyment.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Teddy: \u00a0She softened really quick, but I don’t really believe she lost her kill everyone spirit lol. \u00a0(Let’s hope that she hasn’t.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Kent: \u00a0She will definitely be closer to the former than the latter. \u00a0I think she will be more open to planning a strategy instead of just doing what is needed, which could backfire. \u00a0Carol’s instincts have been spot on. \u00a0I really want to see her go Dr Dre 2001 Chronic album on the Saviors. \u00a0I’m excited.<\/span><\/p>\n
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- \u00a0Regarding Richard\u2019s death, was it more important for Morgan to kill him in front of the Kingdom due to Ben, or more important to do in front of the Saviors? \u00a0Please only choose one.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n
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<\/p>\nBitty: \u00a0Ugh one?! Honestly this is a tough choice to make. If Morgan had killed in front of different Savior members, Dwight, Negan it would have been super important. I think that’s all I can add to this question.\u00a0(Ugh, I know right? \u00a0I think you undervalue Gavin’s importance in the Savior’s rankings. \u00a0I could be wrong, but I think he is probably #4, and maybe #3. \u00a0Dwight has a bigger role, but as far as rank, I don’t know who’s higher. \u00a0Simon is clearly #2. \u00a0Eugene is #1A.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Bob: \u00a0Morgan followed Richard\u2019s death. \u00a0Morgan even guarded against Richard lying since clearly, Richard will do a thing for a just cause in his own eyes. \u00a0That being said, Morgan earned prima facie the Saviors’ trust of the Kingdom to be compliant. \u00a0Morgan saw the emotional opportunity of the one Savior being dismissed and capitalized on it. \u00a0The death was needed for the sake of restoring relations with the Saviors.\u00a0(The guy dismissed is named Jared. \u00a0Prima facie means\u00a0based on the first impression; accepted as correct until proved otherwise. \u00a0There, we just worked together to Kentucate people.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Briana: \u00a0Obviously, there’s reason for both but if I have to say one was more important than the other, I’ll go with the Saviors. I think it’s what Richard planned all along once his first plan didn’t pan out. He needed the Saviors to think the trust was still there. They need the element of surprise so making the Saviors think he killed him for stealing one of the melons, gives them that. It lets their guard down with them and keeps them off the radar of them potentially going rogue. \u00a0(Speaking of Rogue, I’m still irritated with how she was portrayed in the X-Men films. \u00a0Just saying. \u00a0She was so much better in the 90’s animated series on FOX.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Cece: \u00a0More important for him to kill in front of Saviors. By him showing the fuck up to everyone and killing him on spot, it also shows that the Kingdom isn’t fucking around. \u00a0(D0 you think that possibly Gavin took notice or gave a damn about it? \u00a0I hadn’t considered him walking away taking note, but I can see that as a possibility.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Teddy: \u00a0I believe he did what Richard wanted. Richard wanted to die in front of both to spark the flame…he got his monkey paw wish granted lol. \u00a0(Point for the monkey paw reference. \u00a0I pretty much love every monkey paw TV or film reference that I have seen. \u00a0It’s a simple story, and I don’t know why it’s not used more in modern day storytelling.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Kent: \u00a0I look at it this way, the relationship with the Saviors wasn’t going to really alter from the Saviors’ perspective, even if the group rebelled, they were confident that things would carry on eventually. \u00a0I’m of the belief that Ezekiel needed to actually see somebody “rise up” and fight. \u00a0He just lost his best soldier, and Morgan has instilled some confidence in Ezekiel to go to war. \u00a0In that regard, isn’t that more important than just “fooling” the Saviors?<\/span><\/p>\n
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- \u00a0Carol has not really enjoyed the company of younger people since the prison. \u00a0Do you think that she will ever find somebody to mentor or to care for, who isn\u2019t an adult?<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n
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Bitty: \u00a0No, Carol needs to focus on her relationships with people her age and older. The Mom figure is too much for her to handle. She is a bad ass strong woman who needs to take charge and lead men and women, not be a surrogate or school teacher. <\/span><\/p>\n
Bob: \u00a0No. \u00a0I believe she is protecting them from becoming like her psychotic self.<\/span><\/p>\n
Briana: \u00a0The way I see it going down is she and Ezekiel end up getting together and sort of adopting Benjamin\u2019s little brother. From the previews, it looks like that’s a road they may take. (Yup, I think there’s a good chance of that.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Cece: \u00a0It could be nice to see her branch out into her old habits again. But I can’t seem to think of anyone this could apply to.<\/span><\/p>\n
Teddy: \u00a0Not after she tried with little miss Satan (look into the pretty flowers…blam!) \u00a0(I really miss Lizzie. \u00a0She was a fun, psychotic character. \u00a0We need more of them. \u00a0People should be more psychotic folks in this world.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Kent: \u00a0I think that not only will Carol start to care for Ben’s brother, Henry, but also I have this feeling that Carol has to impart some wisdom to Carl and Little Ass Kicker. \u00a0I can towards the end of the show’s run, Carol with Judith, and it would absolutely make sense.<\/span><\/p>\n
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- \u00a0Is Lennie James (Morgan) the best actor on the show? \u00a0If not, who is?<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n
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<\/p>\nBitty: \u00a0Although his skills are flawless, I still feel the pain in Carols eyes, she doesn’t have to speak and she is in pain. (I was going to say Tara to see your reaction!!) \u00a0(You would have been able to feel the hate in my eyes, because you know, I’m also a great actor. \u00a0I think between Morgan and Carol, they can just look at each other and carry a scene.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Bob: \u00a0He ranks high, but no. \u00a0I hate to do this, but I believe Andrew Lincoln is the best actor. \u00a0We have seen him with his sanity and without it. \u00a0We have seen him happy and crushed. \u00a0We have seen him arrogance and fearful. \u00a0We have seen him rash and calculating. \u00a0He has covered a slew of different emotions and states of mind and is convincing and captivating at the same time. \u00a0He has had his boring moments, but my better half also noted his near perfect acting when they were initially captured by Negan. \u00a0(I have 2 issues with putting Andy higher on my list. \u00a0First, he is the character we see way more than anybody else, meaning that he has had more opportunity to showcase all of that, which may not be fair, but I tend to count that against the leads, except in Breaking Bad because Bryan Cranston was so good. \u00a0Secondly, when Lori died, Rick rolling around on the ground, he cries about as badly as Edward Norton does. \u00a0I have to acknowledge that. \u00a0He is really good though.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Briana: \u00a0Oh he’s absolutely one of the best! I don’t think I could pick just one to be the very best though! I’ve always been extremely impressed by Rick and Maggie being English! I seriously had no clue either of them were anything less than Southern until I saw them in other things (and yes I had totally seen him in Love Actually long before Walking Dead but just didn’t connect the dots until I saw him interview for some other show he did!) \u00a0(I also saw Love Actually, last month thanks to Cece. \u00a0He was good in that. \u00a0The being English thing is a valid point, well him and Lauren. \u00a0Did you see her in The Boy? \u00a0If not, I can’t say that I recommend it, but if somebody did like it, I recommend checking out Housebound. \u00a0Similar story, but better done.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Cece: \u00a0He is most definitely one of the best actors in the show, for sure. I can’t think of anyone I really like who acts better than he does in their roles specific to only this show. When it comes to careers, Jeffrey Dean Morgan, for sure. \u00a0(When it comes to careers Michael Rooker, Norman Reedus, and Jeffrey DeMunn are all in the conversation. \u00a0DeMunn probably has the best career when considering the show in totality with Shawshank Redemption, Green Mile, and The Mist. \u00a0That’s tough to beat. Rooker has been in a lot of stuff, just not as high profile, but more quantity. \u00a0I can go all day on this.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Teddy: \u00a0I believe he shows range for sure, and he tows that sanity line better than Andrew Lincoln does as Rick. \u00a0(Bingo! \u00a0I think he does that better than Andy, and that’s the biggest reason that I favor Lennie over Andy. \u00a0Morgan’s sanity feels more volatile and real to me. \u00a0RIck was just chasing a ghost. \u00a0Morgan feels it.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Kent: \u00a0This is a tough one. \u00a0He’s in the top tier with Michael Rooker (Merle), Scott Wilson (Herschel), Melissa McBride (Carol), and Andy Lincoln (Rick). \u00a0I favor Lennie over Melissa, but they are 1 and 1A. \u00a0Morgan has had less screen time, but he does crazy in such a good way. \u00a0Plus Lennie kicked ass in Snatch.<\/span><\/p>\n
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- \u00a0Do you miss when The Walking Dead would spend time showing a character\u2019s backstory, pre-zombie apocalypse or whatever they did to get to this current point in time?<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n
Bitty: \u00a0I love knowing these things about a character!! However there is no time anymore when so many stories are in motion. When Eugene explained his back story in less than 60 secs a couple weeks ago it was perfect. Exactly what I wanted to know how him without an entire episode. \u00a0When we first had the Morgan episode years ago, getting captured and taught and all I was frustrated and bored with it. But now I understand Morgan’s development because of that. So I guess what I’m saying is that there aren’t any other characters right now that i need \u00a0a back story for. Except Daryl. What did he do?? \u00a0(He was a private investigator.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Bob: \u00a0Yes BUT I don’t want whole episodes of that. \u00a0It can be sooooo boring. \u00a0Glimpses are good, and leaving some mystery is a good thing.<\/span><\/p>\n
Briana: \u00a0I really enjoy when they do that but I definitely think limitation is important! This show can be one of the worst about prolonging stories that aren’t quite as important as they make them out to be. Something that takes an entire episode can sometimes be explained in way less time! \u00a0(There are times when the show tries to force a story and it just doesn’t work. \u00a0Most shows are probably guilty of that, but in a show with such a huge cast, it’s more <\/span>prominent\u00a0here.)<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n
Cece: \u00a0Absolutely. I LIVE for character development! \u00a0(D0 you die when a character is introduced but never talked about ever again? \u00a0I’m looking at your Morales and you Vatos and the remaining Wolves.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Teddy: \u00a0Depends, I believe outside Jesus and Ezekiel they\u2019ve pretty much covered all the important people left.<\/span><\/p>\n
Kent: \u00a0I do because they have usually been really well done. \u00a0The exception was how poorly Abe’s backstory was. \u00a0I still love when Orange is the New Black does this, and is actually the best thing the show has going for it nowadays, unless you like preachy bullshit. \u00a0Here are people whose backstory I would love to see: Rosita, Negan, Gavin, Simon, Jesus, Gregory, Jerry, and of course Kent. \u00a0I know that Morgan’s 90 minute episode wasn’t universally loved, for some inane reason, but without that episode, Morgan’s character would be very lackluster now. \u00a0I just want the pre-credits backstory, not full episodes, except for Negan. \u00a0I would have loved to know more about Fat Joey too. \u00a0RIP<\/span><\/p>\n
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- \u00a0\u201cTo injure an opponent is to injure oneself\u201d was a quote that Ben used during this episode. \u00a0This episode, the meaning is obvious. \u00a0Give me another example(s) of when that applied to the show.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n
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<\/p>\nBitty: \u00a0Deep. Very Deep. When the Governor beheaded Hershel. He injured a crucial member of the apocalyptic society and in turn was killed himself because of that act. \u00a0(You took my initial thought when I wrote the question.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Bob: \u00a0When Shane was killed by Rick. \u00a0By the way, Shane was also a great actor on this show. \u00a0Nothing like killing your adopted daughter’s father. \u00a0When the Governor killed Herschel. \u00a0When Negan killed Spencer and (mostly) Olivia. \u00a0(I read this, and I had this idea. \u00a0In 20 years, I would totally be in favor of the show being remade, but different characters survive. \u00a0So early on, we may see a lot of the same things play out, but suppose Shane and Dale don’t die so early and maybe Glenn gets it and that means that Maggie or Beth ends up with T Dog. \u00a0Sort of like the TV show, Sliders. \u00a0The same premise, but just played out differently. \u00a0Maybe they make it all the way to the prison, and maybe they work together with Governor, or maybe they attack the Governor and kill him like they initially wanted to. \u00a0Think about the possibilities.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Briana: \u00a0I’ll go with Carol having to kill the red head from the Saviors. Killing her really had a huge impact on her making her completely emotionally unstable. \u00a0(Which is kinda weird when you think about it. \u00a0THAT was her breaking point. \u00a0Not being F’d over by Rick, not having to put down Lizzie, not having to kill that lady in Terminus, who had a sad story herself. \u00a0It was the Red Woman, but I don’t think her name was Melisandre.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Cece: \u00a0Definitely pertains to when Rosita shot Lucille and then we lost Spencer. \u00a0(Good one. \u00a0Didn’t even cross my mind. \u00a0To add to that, that same scenario, Negan kept pushing the buttons and Lucille got hurt, so Negan took away Eugene, if you look at it from the Saviors POV.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Teddy: \u00a0Daryl hit Negan so Glenn got the bat pretty easy choice. Also, Rick\u2019s group took out the Savior’s outpost so Negan took out Abraham. \u00a0(Really, the whole round up, let’s play eeney meeney miney moe thing, that is once again, another example of this, only from the Savior’s POV. \u00a0Yes, they lost that outpost and the Dick Brigade, but then they took out Abe and Glenn.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Kent: \u00a0No shit, everybody said something different. I was going to go with Herschel and Governor, but Bitty tackled that one, so I will suggest the Merle and Michonne thing. \u00a0Not only was Rick considering giving Michonne to The Governor, but Merle went to carry it out and realized that would injure the group too much, and then he got injured\/killed. \u00a0That whole thing really works here. \u00a0Dale’s death got the group moved into Herschel’s place and sparked a fire. \u00a0Rick’s injury also strengthened Carl after the Prison went to shit. \u00a0Plenty of examples. \u00a0Great job guys and gals.<\/span><\/p>\n
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- \u00a0Another theme throughout this episode, and in the series for that matter took place when Nabila was talking to Ezekiel about how the garden was overrun with weevils, and that they would have to cut it and burn it, but if they want, it can all grow back. \u00a0Give me another example of this taking place in the series.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n
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<\/p>\nBitty: \u00a0When the Walkers invaded Alexandria and were running rampant. The townspeople sacrificed part of their water source by filling it with gasoline and igniting it. Drawing the walkers to the fire as they burned in their clean water source. \u00a0(In hindsight, wasn’t that a terrible decision? \u00a0With 20-30 townpeople all fighting, was it necessary when if each person killed 3 walkers, that would have thinned it out pretty quick? \u00a0You had Rick and Michonne and Kent all out there fighting. \u00a0I’m just asking.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
Bob: \u00a0This actually goes back to the Old Testament of the Bible. \u00a0Destroy your enemy completely, utterly and competently. \u00a0Then prosper. \u00a0In the series, this has continually happened with every surbibor in the show. \u00a0Every person has needed to break themselves down or be broken down, choose to embrace that change, thus destroying a former version of themselves and then accept who they have become and grow into that person. \u00a0(You had to know that this was coming based off of your Surbibor comment. \u00a0Nobody reading this is in on the joke, but suffice it to say, 10+ years ago, we used to jam out to this song while playing many a video game, notably Deathrow. \u00a0Seriously, they do not say Survivor.)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n
- \u00a0Another theme throughout this episode, and in the series for that matter took place when Nabila was talking to Ezekiel about how the garden was overrun with weevils, and that they would have to cut it and burn it, but if they want, it can all grow back. \u00a0Give me another example of this taking place in the series.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n
- \u00a0\u201cTo injure an opponent is to injure oneself\u201d was a quote that Ben used during this episode. \u00a0This episode, the meaning is obvious. \u00a0Give me another example(s) of when that applied to the show.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n
- \u00a0Do you miss when The Walking Dead would spend time showing a character\u2019s backstory, pre-zombie apocalypse or whatever they did to get to this current point in time?<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n
- \u00a0Is Lennie James (Morgan) the best actor on the show? \u00a0If not, who is?<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n
- \u00a0Carol has not really enjoyed the company of younger people since the prison. \u00a0Do you think that she will ever find somebody to mentor or to care for, who isn\u2019t an adult?<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n
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- \u00a0Is Carol about to go back into season 5 and 6 mode where she will do whatever is needed, or will we see a hybrid version of Carol where she may not be as intense?<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n