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This week, at least for now, it is Jim and Me. Chris is in Florida, so he’s in Hurricane Hell. We wish him well. This week’s episode, “The Princess and the Queen”, concludes the time jump, for the foreseeable future. We have new actors playing Rhaenyra, Alicent, Laena, and Laenor. We have 7 children of various ages, some of whom, we don’t even get a name for yet. We also got 3 relatively big deaths with big consequences. It was a packed episode with questionable pacing, and even more questionable explanations. Anything written in BOLD is from me. Chris and I also recorded our companion podcast, Kenter At Your Own Risk<\/a>, prior to the hurricane unleashing its wrath, so you can check that out too.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

1.  Tell me how you feel about the new actors playing the \u201colder\u201d versions of various characters such as Rhaenyra, Alicent, and Laenor.  Would you have been happier if the character were played by the original actors and just aged?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

Jim:\u00a0 While I think it was necessary, it does make a distinct separation of the first 5 episodes from the rest.\u00a0 Almost like a prequel (as a wise man told me) of the prequel, but it makes it hard as it undoes the emotional attachment we have for the two characters.\u00a0 I can at least say that I had a little pity for each of the two characters in the first half of the season, but seeing new actors after the time jump, it felt like a \u201cblank slate\u201d to which I did not feel any pity.\u00a0 Laenor barely affected me, because he had so little screen time prior to this.\u00a0 If there was a way to age down the current actors, that may have been better, but at this point, we can just move forward as is.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Kent:\u00a0 I think that they could have stuck with the original actors. This is TV, we often have people older playing younger roles.\u00a0 Milly Alcock, who played younger Rhaenerya was born in 2000.\u00a0 She was playing a teen and would be playing maybe 5 or 6 years older.\u00a0 I see no reason they couldn\u2019t have kept her.\u00a0 Emily Carey played young Alicent, and she was born in 2003.\u00a0 Even then, I feel like they could have kept her.\u00a0 I don\u2019t mind the older version of Al, I don\u2019t like older Rhaen.\u00a0 I know, it\u2019s just one episode, but our job is to be overly nitpicky at the moment and have a short memory.\u00a0 Laenor was the one who made the biggest difference that made logical sense to me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

2.\u00a0 Were they a little too kill-happy in this episode or was this all necessary to move the show along at a reasonable pace?\u00a0 Did you think that everything was explained and executed well?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

Jim:\u00a0 I think that they were kill starved the first 5 episodes, which makes a normal amount now seem excessive.\u00a0 While I don\u2019t believe every death was well explained (I can go from the delivery room to a distant cliff to die by dragon-assisted [firearm?] suicide), they were well done and set the tone for what should be an exciting back half of the season.\u00a0 I know we will cover in another question Larys\u2019 decision to kill his family which was \u201cbetter explained\u201d than Laena\u2019s death.\u00a0 However, Family Strong\u2019s death was well executed, and I feel that Laena\u2019s death will also set things in motion.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Kent:\u00a0 I will counter something that Jim said here because why not?\u00a0 3 deaths in an episode may actually be a good average number.\u00a0 But if we\u2019re running Westerosi analytics, 3\u00a0 \u201ccore\u201d character deaths are a high number.\u00a0 You could make the argument that those 3 characters composed the core 15 characters in this show, so to wipe out 20% in one episode is a bit much.\u00a0 The kids now add more characters, so that alleviates it a bit.\u00a0 Still, I\u2019m not sure Laena needed to die this week.\u00a0 Okay, let\u2019s face it, Harwin was my second favorite character, Laena was my fourth, and Lyonel was my seventh.\u00a0 I may be a bit annoyed.\u00a0 Lyonel didn\u2019t even get a proper death scene.\u00a0 First Crab Feeder, now this.\u00a0 Do a better job with your death scenes because they matter so so much.\u00a0 I am fairly certain I know why Laena died, to get the uncle and niece duo as a couple, but I hated it.\u00a0 I really liked her and Daemon together.\u00a0 Now Daemon gets to be a single girl dad, and if any major character had to be the girl dad, it had to be Daemon, right?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

3.  Did it make sense for Larys to just scheme to kill his father and brother without providing the viewers with much insight?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

Jim:\u00a0 In the world of Westeros and the 7 kingdoms, a poorly explained motive is a vehicle for a future storyline.\u00a0 So while I will admit that Larys decision, which at face value was just to trap the queen into an IOU was poorly explained, I withhold judgment until I see the full outcome.\u00a0 It could transition into the best power grab or chaos-spreading action ever.\u00a0 Furthermore, I do appreciate the unexplained decisions a little bit, because it gives us time to speculate during the week about the reasons for it and potential outcomes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Kent:\u00a0 I like where Jim\u2019s mind is, but I have one issue with it.\u00a0 I lack faith in the writers to fully explain the story.\u00a0 They have shown ineptitude, at times, with explaining things that fans would like explained.\u00a0 This seems important, so they really should do it.\u00a0 In theory, Jim is right.\u00a0 In execution, I really have a feeling that they will, at best, half-ass it.\u00a0 I hope that I\u2019m wrong and that Jim is right.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

4.  Which character\u2019s death from this episode will have the greatest impact on this series moving forward: Lyonel Strong, Harwin Strong, or Lady Laena? <\/h3>\n\n\n\n

Jim:\u00a0 It is really a toss-up.\u00a0 Lady Laena\u2019s death has the potential to make Daemon go unhinged, however, I think the greater impact will be Team Strong\u2019s death.\u00a0 Rhaenyra could see the death of her consort and baby-daddy as a direct attack by Alicent, and Viserys can see the death of his hand as an attack by outside forces and can start a conflict based upon faulty information.\u00a0 Additionally, the deaths create an IOU for Alicent to Larys for some unknown reason or scheme, but I assume he is up to no good.\u00a0 Additionally, his symbols of the scarab, which has been used as a symbol of pestilence, could mean that his plans involve the bringing of disease (dragonscale), which I just feel should be coming out in this series.\u00a0 I know I keep coming back to that point, but it is so stuck in my head.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Kent:\u00a0 I 100% agree with Jim, except the answer is Laena, if my theory is correct.\u00a0 Everything Jim said is right.\u00a0 I am all in on the dragonscale desire too.\u00a0 If I take what Jim said and then say, there\u2019s your motivation for Daemon and Rhaenyra to form the power couple in Westeros, I then feel that Laena\u2019s death opened that door.\u00a0 Lyonel and Harwin didn\u2019t have to die for Rhaen and Daem to get together for reasons.\u00a0 Laena did, well kind of.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

5.\u00a0 Should they have done a 5 episode run for season 1 and then this be the beginning of season 2?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

Jim:\u00a0 It doesn\u2019t matter how they structured it, it\u2019s just how it feels.\u00a0 This week’s episode felt like an episode 1 in so many ways, other than the lack of backstory of tension between certain characters.\u00a0 As I mentioned prior, changing actors mid-season breaks any emotional attachment to the characters, and you start with a clean slate.\u00a0 Additionally, it is a convenient way to change someone\u2019s demeanor mid-story (see next answer, *cough* Ser Criston).\u00a0 I no longer feel even the littlest bit bad for either Alicent or Rhaenyra for their situation or setting, and judge them solely on their actions now and moving forward, in which new Rhaenyra seems entitled and distant from the family (her idea of fortifying the Step Stones was not even talked about by the King), and Alicent is very harshly worded and schemey, more and more like her father.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Kent:\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Do I need to elaborate further?\u00a0 Just give us a 5 episode first season.\u00a0 So many shows give a truncated season 1.\u00a0 The Walking Dead and the Fear version of it did 6.\u00a0 Tales From the Crypt did 6 episodes.\u00a0 I think that this feels like a season 2.\u00a0 By the official season 2, none of this will matter.\u00a0 This is just a discussion to get us through the week to week, but it felt like a new season.\u00a0 I would say that Jim\u2019s point about emotional attachment is the biggest thing.\u00a0 In this episode, I genuinely ask, who did you feel an attachment to?\u00a0 Daemon and Viserys.\u00a0 I think the fans perhaps felt closer to Harwin, but not many felt close to him through the first 5 episodes.\u00a0 Were the changes in Rhaen and Al all that remarkable or just the expected evolution?\u00a0 No matter how you answer that, the Stark change in characters made both of them unpleasant, but not in a way that Cersei was unpleasant.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n

This went from the cool chick you know on social media, you check out her pictures, maybe talk to her once in a while, to the girl that airs all of her and her family\u2019s dirty laundry online, often complaining and making it all about her, until you unfriend\/unfollow, or intentionally pretend to not see any of their messages.\u00a0 Okay, that may be the best analysis that I\u2019ve ever offered in this space.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Bonus – I want to steal a gimmick from my The Walking Dead blogs.  I called it the Glenn Memorial award.  We should probably name it after a dead character in this series, so if you have a character in mind to name it after, please let me know.  Anyway, tell me what the best moment of this episode was for you, and the most ridiculous moment.  This gives us a chance to have some laughs while bringing up anything that wasn\u2019t talked about prior.<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

Jim: I have mentioned this before, but this should be the \u201cWillem Blackwood Award for Momentary Brilliance.\u201d\u00a0 I don\u2019t know if he\u2019s dead, but the scene of him murdering a much older heckler after his failed marriage proposal will never die (makes him an honorary Greyjoy).\u00a0 Anyway, my most ridiculous moment would be the fight between Ser Criston and Harwin Strong.\u00a0 First off, the time jump made Ser Criston\u2019s heel turn seem quick (save the hidden 10 years of pining).\u00a0 Secondly, I\u2019m not sure that I\u2019ve seen another member of the King\u2019s Guard at any royal training sessions before, so his presence is seemingly forced.\u00a0 Third, you would assume with the 10 years of rumors, Harwin would be a little better at keeping his emotions closer to his vest.\u00a0 So the fight, and the actions that were put in motion seemed a little forced.\u00a0 A close runner-up was Aegon masturbating out a window, and being caught by mom, without even addressing it.\u00a0 It was ridiculous but unimpactful, so didn\u2019t get my final call.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Kent:  I was going to show this as a finished product, but I love how this evolved over the course of 24 hours from when I asked this to the point that I got a final response.  I loved Jim\u2019s initial response to this in our group chat.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201cIf it\u2019s an absurd moment, it has to be the Willem Blackwood Award for Random Excellence, or the \u201cHey why don\u2019t you have her marry her infant half-brother\u201d moment of excellence\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But he cleaned it up, and I am all in on the  \u201cWillem Blackwood Award for Momentary Brilliance.\u201d  With Chris stuck in Hurricane Hell, I have to believe that he will approve of this name.  I suppose he could properly challenge the name, but I think we all like this.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Let\u2019s face it, I wanted to have a good laugh at the Aegon masturbation scene.  It\u2019s not that his mom caught him playing a rousing game of 5 against 1.  The devil is in the details.  First off, he was doing the fully nude flogging of the hog.  He was doing this while standing in the window opening, presumably looking down on King\u2019s Landing.  If that isn\u2019t the \u201cBecause now I got the world swinging from my nuts, and damn it feels good to be a gangster\u201d moment of this series, I don\u2019t know what will.  Were people walking by and looking up and just like \u201cHey, the Prince is cuffing the carrot again.\u201d  Do they mock him?  But the more important aspect of this scene is Alicent\u2019s reaction.  Not horrified or embarrassed.  It was the most normal thing in the world.  She has walked in on him evicting the testicular squatters in the past\u2026..numerous times.  It was nonchalant. She just cared about him being the challenge.  One final thought.  Does he consider a princely blessing if he makes it rain on a maiden\u2019s head?  Is that like catching a bouquet at a wedding?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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