{"id":10494,"date":"2017-11-26T13:37:26","date_gmt":"2017-11-26T13:37:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.9deuce.tv\/blogs\/?p=10494"},"modified":"2017-11-26T13:37:26","modified_gmt":"2017-11-26T13:37:26","slug":"the-walking-dead-9-deuce-s8-ep5-the-big-scary-u","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/9deuce.tv\/tv\/the-walking-dead-9-deuce-s8-ep5-the-big-scary-u\/","title":{"rendered":"The Walking Dead 9 Deuce: S:8 Ep:5 &#8220;The Big Scary U&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>This week, we get some insight as to what happened prior to Rick&#8217;s assault on Sanctuary and the aftermath with Negan and Gabriel.\u00a0 It really provided us with plenty of info and gave us some things to speculate upon.\u00a0 This week was a little rough for some of my contributors&#8230;..thanks Thanksgiving.\u00a0 I&#8217;m sorry, I can&#8217;t be too upset at National Fat Guy day.\u00a0 It&#8217;s sooo tasty.\u00a0 Anyway, thank you to Briana, Bob, Brian, Kristi, and Raylene for taking time out of their busy schedule to provide their valuable insight.\u00a0 Always feel free to leave your own thoughts in the comments section.\u00a0 All messages in\u00a0<strong>bold<\/strong> are written by Kent, and I know damn well that some of you just come to read my responses to you.<\/p>\n<p>Ohhhhh, also Eric and I did a podcast prior to this episode airing.\u00a0 It&#8217;s a really solid podcast that you can listen to and get some valuable insight&#8230;&#8230;okay, well it&#8217;s 2 dudes shooting the shit and talking TWD.\u00a0 If you want our analysis, that&#8217;s great.\u00a0 We have a good time.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.9deuce.tv\/Kentertained\/2017\/11\/26\/episode-087-the-walking-dead-with-eric\/\">Are You Not Kentertained Episode #087<\/a><\/p>\n<p>The 9<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> \u00a0Did this episode alter your viewpoint of Negan at all?<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-10504\" src=\"http:\/\/www.9deuce.tv\/blogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Negan-at-Table-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Briana: \u00a0Maybe a little. It was interesting to see how grateful even the workers are for him. It also seemed obvious that without Negan, things would not last long. It really just left me with more questions than answers. <\/span><b>(I would absolutely recommend reading the Here\u2019s Negan story that I left a link for in my response. \u00a0It would hopefully answer some of your questions. \u00a0Yes, it was good to see Saviors being grateful for his ruling.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Bob: \u00a0I can understand him better now. \u00a0I always knew there was a reason for him being a jerk. \u00a0Everyone has adapted into the new world the way they needed to if they were able and survived. \u00a0The Alexandrians aren\u2019t so different than the Saviors. \u00a0The Saviors are more advanced in their hierarchy and structure. \u00a0Someone will always rise to power and that power will corrupt them. <\/span><b>(Yeah, there\u2019s not much difference. \u00a0Let\u2019s face it, it\u2019s people doing whatever to survive. \u00a0Things that we find unsavory or reprehensible, but we know that there would be some people like this in a ZA. \u00a0\u00a0As you said, power corrupts and there will be a plethora of people yearning for power in a ZA. \u00a0Just human nature really.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Brian: \u00a0the man\u2026 the myth.. the legend!!!! \u00a0<\/span><b>(Just nodding and smiling.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kristi: \u00a0Not really. I&#8217;m not sure I believe his story about his wife. He still locked Gabrielle up so that was crappy. He is still an arrogant asshat that has taken supplies and doctors from other communities that have harmed them and put them in danger. He is just not a nice guy. <\/span><b>(His story is legit. \u00a0There\u2019s more to it, and I did include the link in my response. \u00a0If you don\u2019t feel like checking it out, I can always sum it up for you, but that is the real story.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Raylene: \u00a0It is nice to have some backstory on him and it humanizes him more to me but I can not still get behind him due to my Abe. <\/span><b>(You should aim your anger at Glenn. \u00a0His death overshadowed Abe\u2019s and stole his thunder.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kent: \u00a0No, not at all, but I am pro Negan to begin with. \u00a0I will say that I loved the comic that gives his backstory, which we saw a glimpse of in this episode. \u00a0There is more that they may or may not ever delve into, so I shall not ruin it. \u00a0I felt that this was needed to add layers to the most important character of the past 3 seasons. I know that a lot of you may have some questions, or perhaps have an urge to know more, and I would suggest that they pick up the graphic novel Here\u2019s Negan, or be a total cheap ass and read it for free.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.omgbeaupeep.com\/comics\/Heres_Negan\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">http:\/\/www.omgbeaupeep.com\/comics\/Heres_Negan\/ <\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ol start=\"2\">\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> \u00a0Now that Eugene knows about Dwight, what will Eugene\u2019s next play be, given the pressure Negan put on him?<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-10499\" src=\"http:\/\/www.9deuce.tv\/blogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Eugene-Thinking-200x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"300\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Briana: \u00a0With Eugene, I believe it will come down to whether or not he needs to use that to save his own ass. I don&#8217;t think he will want to directly be responsible for the repercussions unless it&#8217;s because Negan suspects Eugene. \u00a0<\/span><b>(I do wonder how Negan would react to Eugene outing a person that Negan trusts. \u00a0Negan is gonna be stressed and may make some rash decisions in the midst of ALL OUT WAR. \u00a0Given certain circumstances, will Negan relaly be looking for truth or comfort?)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Bob: \u00a0Eugene is super smart, so he has some circumstantial evidence. \u00a0This isn\u2019t enough for Eugene and we know Dwighty-boy can spin a situation. \u00a0Eugene will probably recommend directly to Dwight that he should flee or turn himself in before he has to. \u00a0Dwight may in turn manipulate a scenario where Eugene is found culpable and bye bye Eugene. \u00a0<\/span><b>(I don\u2019t think you are far off the mark here. \u00a0Based on what the books show us, I can see a scenario play out very similar to your description.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Brian: \u00a0Eugene will do the right thing and let Negan know!! \u00a0<\/span><b>(One would hope that Eugene would do the right thing. \u00a0Maybe Spike Lee can make a movie about it.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kristi: \u00a0I still want to believe Eugene is on Rick\u2019s side. I don&#8217;t think he will out Dwight. <\/span><b>(I haven\u2019t seen any evidence to indicate that Eugene isn\u2019t still on Rick\u2019s side, while keeping himself out of harm\u2019s way.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Raylene: \u00a0I think he will try to help Dwight perhaps finding a scapegoat to pin it on taking the heat off of him and Dwight. \u00a0<\/span><b>(If Bob\u2019s theory is incorrect, I think that this is the other likely scenario.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kent: \u00a0Whatever decision is made, by whoever makes it, it will backfire on them, and I mean them in a plural form, and I will simply leave it at that. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ol start=\"3\">\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> \u00a0Did you find yourself agreeing with Rick or Daryl in their lover\u2019s quarrel? \u00a0<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-10497\" src=\"http:\/\/www.9deuce.tv\/blogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Daryl-Rick-Sleeperhold-300x211.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"211\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Briana: \u00a0I&#8217;ll side with Daryl on this one. I&#8217;ve said it many times this season: this is war. They&#8217;re here to do a job. Take them out while you have the advantage and remember that they were on their way to your people to do the same. \u00a0<\/span><b>(That\u2019s really my thought process. \u00a0If I was living in Alexandria and I got a chance to vote, I would vote on Daryl\u2019s plan in hopes of ending this ALL OUT WAR sooner rather than later.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Bob: \u00a0I agree with Daryl\u2019s methods but with Rick\u2019s planning. \u00a0If you have a plan and it is working, stick with it. \u00a0Daryl\u2019s idea could later be implemented, but that\u2019s what you get when two type A personalities fight it out. \u00a0<\/span><b>(As a Type B, I enjoy sitting back and watching the action, like a sloth.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Brian: This is a tough one. Hopefully Daryl will realize Rick is only going to get him killed. \u00a0<\/span><b>(Daryl doesn\u2019t seem like a guy that will figure it out until it\u2019s too late, if we\u2019re being honest here. \u00a0I feel like Merle warned him of this in season 3 to an extent. \u00a0Officer Friendly indeed.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kristi: \u00a0I\u2019m on Rick\u2019s side. Daryl bugs me. Per the question in the last blog, I would like to see Daryl gone. \u00a0<\/span><b>(It\u2019s still weird to me that a female is cool with Daryl getting got. \u00a0I dig it.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Raylene: \u00a0I believe in Rick\u2019s only because it saves the children, who are innocent in this war. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"The Simpsons - Helen Lovejoy - Think of the children\" width=\"580\" height=\"435\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/RybNI0KB1bg?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kent: \u00a0Well, we have 2 on Rick\u2019s side, 2 on Daryl\u2019s side, sorta, and 1 who just hopes that Daryl does something before Rick kills him. \u00a0This is nice. \u00a0I am so happy that we don\u2019t have people agreeing. \u00a0I know that eventually some folks may say \u201cIn Rick Grimes we trust\u201d or some such nonsense. \u00a0I\u2019m going to give you a bullshit response. \u00a0If I was a member of Rick\u2019s group, I\u2019d want them to go with Daryl\u2019s plan. \u00a0As a fan of a certain character who may be saved by sticking to Rick\u2019s plan, I will side with Rick as a fan. \u00a0See, I told you it was bullshit.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ol start=\"4\">\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> \u00a0Fill in the blank. \u00a0I felt ________ when I saw the jeep and explosives all catch on fire?<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-10507\" src=\"http:\/\/www.9deuce.tv\/blogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Rick-Gun-300x211.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"211\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Briana: \u00a0unsurprised. Definitely something they made very clear from the moment they showed the gas dripping. It did solve the fight though. <\/span><b>(There is that. \u00a0It did, in fact, stop the fight. \u00a0I could have gone for more sleeper holds though, but that\u2019s the wrestling fan in me.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Bob: \u00a0it was obvious what was going to happen \u00a0<\/span><b>(It reminds me of when Rick and Daryl first met Jesus and they lost all the food in that truck. \u00a0It also reminded me of a song from Bob\u2019s Burgers, and since your name is Bob, and not Joe, I felt this would be a good time to listen.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Nice Things are Nice and Bad Things are Bad\" width=\"580\" height=\"326\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/ZnNv23UDx-4?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Brian: \u00a0AWESOME!! I told you so!!!! \u00a0<\/span><b>(I so wish I could have simply observed you watching this particular episode.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kristi: \u00a0Indifferent. Didn&#8217;t really have many feeling towards it. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Raylene: \u00a0Annoyed that they just wasted perfectly good ammunition because of a stupid fight. \u00a0<\/span><b>(Bitches be catty, YO! \u00a0And Daryl is possibly the biggest bitch of them all, soooo there you go.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kent: \u00a0Deja Vu. \u00a0Seriously, this was the meeting Jesus episode again, and then I laughed at their silly fighting.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ol start=\"5\">\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> \u00a0DId Father Gabriel get bit or is it something else?<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-10501\" src=\"http:\/\/www.9deuce.tv\/blogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Gabriel-In-Cell-300x211.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"211\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Briana: \u00a0My first instinct is that he was bitten but I have a feeling that&#8217;s what they want me to think. \u00a0<\/span><b>(You are right, they definitely want us to think that. \u00a0Will they go for the swerve? \u00a0Is this Glenn under a dumpster all over again?)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Bob: \u00a0The bite effect wouldn\u2019t seem to have happened that quickly. \u00a0I think it is panic or hysteria. \u00a0Maybe he caught the flu. \u00a0Gabriel doesn\u2019t have a strong constitution\u2026 \u00a0<\/span><b>(I agree with your last sentiment a lot. \u00a0Regarding the time frame, if you\u2019ve been paying attention since day 1, you will have noticed that the timing thing is a tool of convenience. \u00a0I wish it was more than that, but I feel we have seen some big fluctuations. \u00a0Quite frankly, it could simply come down to somebody who got sick all of the time vs somebody who rarely got sick prior to the ZA and their immune system adding longevity to the flu and it\u2019s symptoms.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Brian: \u00a0a ploy to get out of the cell! <\/span><b>(This being the other obvious thing, contrary to what I just wrote to Bob.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kristi: \u00a0He got bit. His time is up. I&#8217;m thinking his death will inspire Eugene to help Dwight. <\/span><b>(I hope that you are partially right. \u00a0Is that a dickheaded thing to say? \u00a0I honestly don\u2019t want Eugene to help Dwight, not yet at least. \u00a0Dwight and Eugene have so much potential in story arcs, that I am cool if some twists and turns occur.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Raylene: \u00a0My first thought was he got bite fighting to get to the trailer that him and Negan were trapped in and finally showing symptoms once in Sanctuary. \u00a0<\/span><b>(This seems to be the most likely scenario.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kent: \u00a0I will say this again. \u00a0Gabe\u2019s death in the comic was uneventful and didn\u2019t help the narrative in any capacity and quite frankly felt lazy. \u00a0I would rather Gabe die earlier in the show if his death serves a purpose. \u00a0We never see him get bit, which is a TWD staple. \u00a0I still believe that Rick was standing at Gabe\u2019s grave in the season opener, as I alluded to back then, and I think walker Gabe is going to bite somebody else that fans may like\u2026..or Tara.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ol start=\"6\">\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> \u00a0They talked about the previous leader of the Savior&#8217;s prior to Negan taking over. Do you think that we will ever get more info on this?<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-10506\" src=\"http:\/\/www.9deuce.tv\/blogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Pissed-Simon-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Briana: \u00a0This had me really questioning where Negan came from and how he got to this point. I don&#8217;t think they will go into a lot of detail on the previous leader so much as maybe give us a little Negan backstory. At least his over throwing of said leader. \u00a0<\/span><b>(I really think that this will be the end of Negan\u2019s backstory for awhile, and possibly ever. \u00a0There may be opportunities in the future, but that is all conjecture at this point. \u00a0If so, hopefully Carl is the one who uncovers the truth.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Bob: \u00a0No, that\u2019s over. \u00a0The point wasn\u2019t the past, it was the present and future. \u00a0<\/span><b>(I regrettably think that you are correct. \u00a0In my rant, you will see why. \u00a0Missed opportunity.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Brian: \u00a0I hope they show how negan used his awesome leadership skills to save 100s of people&#8217;s lives..<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kristi: \u00a0I see flashbacks in our future. <\/span><b>(Maybe, but I wouldn\u2019t be willing to bet my hairline on it. \u00a0I feel that this show is so jam packed with characters, it\u2019s not willing to delve too deeply beyond one episode to really explore a character\u2019s past.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Raylene: \u00a0No I don\u2019t see any more of it. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=-mKk7CMTBJQ<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kent: \u00a0I don\u2019t think that it would serve much of a purpose if I am going to be honest. \u00a0If they wanted to show it or tell it, they would have in this episode. \u00a0They could have given us a whole Negan backstory episode similar to Morgan and Eastman and it would have been well worth the time. \u00a0We could have cut out a good 45 minutes of random guns firing and car chases to have given us the proper story with flashbacks of Negan. \u00a0Actually, allow me to go one step further. \u00a0I think it was a bullshit move on TWD\u2019s part for not giving us this episode. \u00a0This episode kinda made Negan a little too likable compared to the books. \u00a0I don\u2019t care about the likable factor, but the story added a human factor that really fleshed out Negan. \u00a0It\u2019s kinda like how they didn\u2019t do Abe justice in his backstory on the show. \u00a0They didn\u2019t show what happened to Abe\u2019s family and they should have to add to Abe\u2019s sorrow and hopelessness. \u00a0When this show explores the characters, especially their past, it really is when the show is at it\u2019s best and they failed the fans a bit in this one.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ol start=\"7\">\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> \u00a0To go along with the last question, do you think it is possible that Simon was the previous leader as was discussed on Talking Dead?<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-10496\" src=\"http:\/\/www.9deuce.tv\/blogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Concerned-Simon-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Briana: \u00a0He would fit the vibe I got from their talking of the guy but I don&#8217;t feel like someone who was dethroned by Negan would still be alive and have that much power. <\/span><b>(Therein lies the caveat. Was Negan always as ruthless, or did he takeover in a similar way as Rick took over Alexandria? \u00a0I know the natural inclination of fans is to assume that there was a lot of bloodshed, but maybe it was very different. \u00a0Still, I doubt the leader is alive, but I suppose somebody like Negan would love to keep that person under his thumb for awhile.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Bob: \u00a0Nah, I think it was simply Simon getting a little heady and giving himself too much room\u2026 <\/span><b>(More than likely. \u00a0Honestly, I am struggling picturing Simon ruling a place as big as Sanctuary.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Brian: \u00a0Simon has always been Negans number 2. They were separated when the disaster started but have since been reunited. Simon may have gathered the numbers to start the saviors until the true leader could return. \u00a0<\/span><b>(I would love to know how long Simon and Negan have been together. \u00a0This is something that I would love to have answered.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Raylene: \u00a0I don\u2019t think it was him I do think he was here when Negan took over, although perhaps the vibe then was to kill everyone they encounter due to his plan for the Hillside. \u00a0<\/span><b>(I\u2019ve often wondered if the plan all along was to have Simon run Hillside and just tell Gregory to fuck off.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kent: \u00a0I\u2019m going to say no. \u00a0Although the theory intrigues me, I am saying that Simon wouldn\u2019t enjoy his role as much as he does now if he had been in charge previously. \u00a0Honestly, Gavin seems more pissed off than Simon and would be a more likely candidate in my mind. \u00a0More than likely the previous leader has been chained at the gate for some time now. \u00a0Still, I enjoy the random theories.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ol start=\"8\">\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> \u00a0Gabriel seemed concerned about Dr. Carson&#8217;s well being. Do you think Dr. Carson will get to deliver Maggie&#8217;s baby?<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Briana: \u00a0At this point I think they have to let Glenn\u2019s baby be delivered and healthy. That was the beginning of how he gets back to Maggie to deliver her baby. \u00a0<\/span><b>(I do believe that the baby will be delivered and healthy. \u00a0I really hope that they use the same name as they did in the comics. \u00a0Who knows though? \u00a0In the comics, Lori delivers the baby and is running while Governor is invading and shoots and kills Lori and the baby. \u00a0Sooooo obviously things are different.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Bob: \u00a0Ahh, he was in hysterics basically. \u00a0In reality we wouldn\u2019t take that seriously but on the show\u2026. \u00a0Maybe Gabriel know she has an infection and wants to save the Dr. \u00a0<\/span><b>(On the show, everything means something, except those things that mean nothing.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Brian: \u00a0pure selfishness on his part.. act concerned to show he&#8217;s harmless then try and escape.. <\/span><b>(What a great ploy this is though in all fairness.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kristi: \u00a0I do. I think Eugene will help in getting him out and he will get back to her. <\/span><b>(I think that you are more correct than you realize.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Raylene: \u00a0I hope so but Maggie should have some training from Herschel on birthing even though he was a vet. \u00a0<\/span><b>(True, but let\u2019s not forget the last time Maggie was around a birth. \u00a0Carl had to put Lori down and everybody cared way more about Lori\u2019s death than T Dog\u2019s selfless sacrifice to save Carol which is still paying dividends for the group while Judith still isn\u2019t pulling her own weight.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kent: \u00a0Yes, yes I do.This is all setting something up for the second half of this season and that\u2019s all I will say.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ol start=\"9\">\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> \u00a0In a case where Negan died or became incapacitated, who would be the best leader for the Saviors in your opinion? Please don&#8217;t pick anybody who is currently a leader such as Rick, Maggie, Ezekiel, or Janis.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-10508\" src=\"http:\/\/www.9deuce.tv\/blogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Saviors-Kneeling-300x211.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"211\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Briana: \u00a0I\u2019d think this group would be Daryl\u2019s kind of people. He and Dwight could turn things around. \u00a0<\/span><b>(It\u2019s a shame that Daryl didn\u2019t have some of the Claimers left to help. \u00a0That would work out pretty fun. \u00a0And then the next time him and Rick had a lover\u2019s quarrel, we could have ALL OUT WAR 2!)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Bob: \u00a0Gavin. \u00a0He is not a traitor, not a hot head, not power hungry and not a wimp. \u00a0He would be a better LEADER and sees through the nonsense. <\/span><b>(I kinda wish I had read this prior to answering #7. \u00a0I think that Gavin is actually very underrated. \u00a0From what we have been shown, he basically tried to keep the arrangement with the Kingdom going as smoothly as possible and he punished Jared when warranted. \u00a0I think he makes a TON of sense, and I honestly think that Rick could work with him peacefully.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Brian: \u00a0I think that Eugene with Jerry as his number 2\/ enforcer. \u00a0<\/span><b>(I just want to see see their meetings. \u00a0It would be a true delight. \u00a0This would be amazing.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Raylene: \u00a0I think Gregory would do good there he would have henchman to put his rules in action. \u00a0<\/span><b>(Gregory would work if he had people to back up his words. \u00a0He\u2019s no fool, and could be a decent leader as long as stuff stayed peaceful.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kent: \u00a0Carol or Carl. \u00a0I say Carol because they would have them Saviors baking some good cookies. \u00a0Carl would be fun because he\u2019s learned some from his dad, and Carl wouldn\u2019t take shit from anybody. \u00a0I think either character would work great here. \u00a0My third option would be Kent&#8230;obviously.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Bonus Deuce<\/span><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> \u00a0Rick appears to be on a mission to meet the Scavengers again. How do you see this playing out?<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Briana: \u00a0Well, I trusted them last time and we saw how that turned out. I have a gut feeling this time they&#8217;ll make a deal and keep it but I&#8217;m shooting myself in the foot already for that. \u00a0<\/span><b>(I\u2019m fearing that you may be walking like Herschel sooner than later. \u00a0Your poor foot.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Bob: \u00a0I see the alliance wiping out the Scavengers by foolery. \u00a0<\/span><b>(This seems like the most logical conclusion. \u00a0Do they go logical or TWEEST is the big question. \u00a0Also, very sad that you didn\u2019t say Tom foolery. \u00a0It just seems funnier that way.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Brian: \u00a0Rick will do like he always does and get more people killed so he can act tough. \u00a0<\/span><b>(The thing is, even when you are knee deep in your conspiracy theories, you\u2019re not wrong here. \u00a0This is going to happen, I think.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Raylene: \u00a0I see Jadis siding with him since Rick seems to have the upper hand now. \u00a0<\/span><b>(Soooo, Rick is now John Doe? \u00a0Whose head is in the box then?)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kent: \u00a0I really like Pollyanna and I would love more story on the Scavengers, but this feels like a group similar to the Termites\/Hunters or the Wolves or the Vatos. \u00a0I don\u2019t think they are long for this world. \u00a0I really like Pollyanna though, or Jadis.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ol start=\"2\">\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> \u00a0Daryl, Tara, and Morgan appear to all be of a similar mindset. \u00a0Do you foresee any of them doing something that puts the group in danger?<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Briana: \u00a0No. Unfortunately I think their mindset is what&#8217;s keeping people alive. Look at what happened with the Kingdom. They killed everyone on sight, before they even knew how many were on them and they stayed alive until the one time they didn&#8217;t. Then they all died. So if I&#8217;m going based on past events, I&#8217;m thinking these are the ones who are making sense right now. \u00a0<\/span><b>(They are making sense, and I don\u2019t know if it\u2019s a good thing or a bad thing. \u00a0They aren\u2019t the moral compass, but they are right and being right can be a death sentence. \u00a0If that sentence ends with Tara getting got, well then we will have a happy Kent.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Bob: \u00a0Nope, Morgan, \u201caint right.\u201d \u00a0There\u2019s really no way to mess up this war unless you are a traitor. <\/span><b>(Well, there is a tactic that may be deployed that hasn\u2019t been explored yet in the show that may be an absolute game changer. \u00a0Just sayin\u2019.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"That boy ain&#039;t right\" width=\"580\" height=\"435\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/y1C8C7op9LU?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Brian: \u00a0They will put themselves in danger by not following Rick\u2019s orders. And their kill all saviors will lead them to all brutal deaths at the hand of lucille.. <\/span><b>(Really, if this happened, a lot of people would be pissed, but this would be a HUGE shake up for the show. \u00a0It\u2019s one of those hypotheticals that I would love to see play out in hypothetical land. \u00a0I still want Morgan to live.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Raylene: \u00a0No I see that someone will always put them in place. \u00a0<\/span><b>(Yeah, they\u2019re always being held down by the man. \u00a0It\u2019s not fair.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kent: \u00a0I believe this will be a case of one best check themselves before they wreck themselves. I hope Tara\u2019s aggression goes unchecked. \u00a0If Tara and Daryl go on a suicide mission, I will laugh.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Final Thoughts<\/span><\/p>\n\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Brian: \u00a0a great mellow blues great named his trusty guitar lucille.. and a great mellow leader named his trusty defender lucille.. could negan be the ZA bb king? \u00a0<\/span><b>(Like I\u2019m not going to link this song to go with your words.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p>https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=u0Ujb6lJ_mM<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Raylene: \u00a0Will we have a multiple major character death by mid season finale? \u00a0<\/span><b>(Yes, I guarandamtee it.)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kent: \u00a0I say that Tara dies in the midseason finale, and I am just counting down the days. \u00a0Huh, the midseason finale happens on December 10th\u2026..my birthday. \u00a0Oh it\u2019s true, it\u2019s damn true. \u00a0Tara is as good as dead. \u00a0Plus, per IMDB, the description for that episode reads: \u201c<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This mid season finale will put everything Rick and his group has done to this point to the test. 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